Ok--I have to stand up for the PACK memebrs. First of all, I doubt most casinos even know of my PACK newsletters, as that is what it is, an information newsletter. We have no meetings, and have NEVER had a show. People collect the blank card...because they COLLECT them! Sure, if they have more than one, they can also use them to trade for other cards they want or need. You don't very often see common cards from the Frontier, or IP on ebay, as there is no demand for them, unless they are "new issue" cards. So as far as PACK members being rude....well, any one can be rude, it doesn't mean they were a club member. Pat