Jim I just have one comment, as I am waiting for Nate to get back with me. As for the PACK members attending any trade where they were not welcome due to not being a CC>CC member, I stated more than once in the PACK news (you have a copy) that this last convention trade room was NOT a PACK trade, and was for CC>CC members. I even told 3 different people to remove their PACK badges as we were NOT advertising the newsletter. I did not want to cause trouble concerning my PACK newsletter, and the CC>CC trade rooms. That was one promise I made to Jim S, when I told him the CC>CC slot card traders wanted a trade room. Pat