Jim they lied to me. They stood in front of you and me and lied to us! They took away the swap room at the promised time. They said you don't have to be a member of the CC>CC to join a chapter, (yes, I am R-1714). They told me if I gave them the PACK news I could have it back any time. Uh-huh, I believe that one! How can I? They LIED, and what is to stop them from doing it again? I hope you get hundreds of members, I have always wanted a slot card club, which is why I started PACK. But when can I believe what they say? You need it all in black and white, and sitting atop a Bible before I will believe any more lies. Maybe you need to add "Renegade" (which I was called on the bbs last year, when I wanted a club, and they DIDN'T) to the adjective "Stupid Pat"!