Well Jim, I'm having a swap/ trading party in my rec room. You said you would go wherever their is one of these. I beleive Pat (along with her cowboy stud), Is, has, and will continue to do the excellect job of running the PACK (they even made a song about her in the 50's, knowing she was going to do this). The PACK is a friendly close group who love collecting the colorful plastic cards. It can stay this way as it gets bigger and probably sacrifice some advantages, but the group will stay united in it quest for one thing. The love of collecting the cards. I think it is a great idea that Bob Gable (the southerner) would like to put on a seperate show. Jim Munding seems to do this out west with little interference. I personally (although I have quite a big collection of casino chips have become somewhat disinterested in the CC>CC because of the in house bickering and dog eat dog attitudes...not even checking out the chip boards chat room any longer). There's no sense in rushing into anything. The PACK is new right now. Maybe down the road the CC&CTCC will went to join us.