Jim I love you and you know that. I will probably even join a chapter as a silent member. I am still asking questions. What I am finding now is that some people feel that the PACK newsletter is involved, and honey, I have had a few who are really coming down on me. It feels like I am damed if I do and damed if I don't. So the best thing for me to do is keep PACK separate. And I have promised close to 20 people that very thing since we got home 5 days ago!! This has really filled my mail box. All I want, and have ever wanted, was a place to trade cards with other people who love these pieces of plastic as much as I do. Thanks for you time. Pat